Psalm 22:16 – Should it read “Pierce” or “Like a Lion”?-2

[Music] did Christianity changed the Old Testament Psalms 22:16 should it read
Pierce or like a lion at songs 22:16 or verse 17 if you're talking about the Jewish Bible its verse 17 and the
Christian Bible it's verse 16 we have an interesting passage Christians all believe that Psalms 22 is a reference to
Jesus as the Messiah being crucified and in verse 16 of the Christian Bible it says pierced that they pierced his hands
and feet but in the Jewish Bible it reads as a lion at my hands of V so which is it was the Messiah
Pierce or were his hands ravished by lions we're gonna be talking about that today in this episode of our series is
Christian deed the mormonism of Judaism where we are examining the claims of the Jewish rabbis who teach that
Christianity has distorted the teachings of Judaism in much the same way that Mormonism distorts the teachings of
Christianity we're going to examine those claims today and what I want to do at the very beginning of this video is I
want to feature a clip from a popular Jewish rabbi who makes the claim that Christians have distorted the Old
Testament teachings in Psalm 22 when in our Christian Bible it reads that the Messiah had his hands pierced in the
Jewish Bible it reads like a lion at my hands and feet so listen carefully as this rabbi misrepresents the textual
basis that forms the foundation of the Christian rendering in this passage Psalm 22 16 or 17 depending on which
kind of use and it sounds immediately very very Christian sounds for sure sounds like a crucifixion the answer to
that question is that there's one word that has been mistranslated by the church the last phrase of Psalm 22 seven
teenagers round 16 and a Christian Bible says khari yo divert agua
the word Kyrie means like a lion the cuz' prefix which means like it's a common word in the Hebrew language
biblical in modern Hebrew so khari means like a line like a line there at my hands of my feet now imagine you take
the word like a lion and instead you put in the word they pierced and suddenly have a brand new message and that's what
the church did in fact if you go a little further in the same chapter hi Shay Mimi prea save me from the lion's
mouth these texts are all speaking about the Lions that are attacking him but they don't mean literally lines or
wasn't he King David found himself in a circus in a zoo in the lines then literally it means his enemies the
church changed one text one verse the one word and suddenly the meaning of the whole chapter changes now you are going
to again be hit with the Septuagint and someone says to you I was in the seventh in the it's in the Septuagint it may not
be in Hebrew the Jew has changed it we have a Dead Sea scroll text not forever that there is no fragment says they
pierced in nothing's ever which is a text later than little later than Qumran and the covers in areas some thirty
kilometers south of of Qumran into this area I don't want that too to interfere with your thinking his rabbi
specifically says that this textual variant does not occur in the Hebrew but it most certainly does and I'm gonna
explain why the textual variant as you can see is very similar there's only one character difference between the word in
the ancient Hebrew manuscript right here which means pierced and the one that's in the more modern Hebrew manuscript the
one that's in the Mesereau text right here that means like a lion at my hands and feet this textual variation occurs
in Psalm 22:16 unfortunately the Dead Sea Scrolls are too damaged at this point to be able to verify
whether pierced or like a lion is what is seen in this text however a very ancient Hebrew manuscript that is just
as old as the Dead Sea Scrolls that dates back to the first century shows very clearly the word pierced being used
in the manuscript and not the word like a lion that shows up in the Masoretic text I have here an article that I found
on Toro reef that provides a photocopy of that very ancient Hebrew manuscript I thought it was in the Dead
Sea Scrolls I later read this article and realized that it is actually you know in a manuscript that's as old as
the Dead Sea Scrolls but and dates back to the first century so I predates the Masoretic text reading by let's see the
oldest manuscript we have a complete manuscript of the Old Testament in the Messianic text is a tenth century this
one goes back to the first century so a date predates the Masoretic text reading by nearly a thousand years and you have
a very clear example where in that text you have the word for pierced with the ending letter character the volve
being changed to yo'd this character right here in the mez erotic text in the later Hebrew manuscripts when the very
manuscripts show textual variants that change the technical meaning of the very words that are being translated from
pierced to like a line in my hands of feet now why is this a significant textual variant the rabbi's claimed that
the word pierced was changed by the Christians when they translated the Septuagint rendering of pierced in Psalm
22:16 and they say that this prophecy was changed to try to prove that this Psalm 22 passage was referring to Jesus
as the Messiah being pierced on a cross so they claimed the word never appears in the Hebrew manuscripts and sold to
the rabbi's they claimed that this is a significant change that the Christians made to the text so what does he do he
denies that they exist so rather than admit that this textual variant exists in the very ancient
Hebrew manuscripts of this passage here in Psalms 22 this rabbi denies that it exists and I'm going to feature another
video of this rabbi and yet another video done by dr. Michael Brown who talks about this passage is Psalms 22
and talks about the claims of this rabbi and shows not only how this textual variant appears here in Psalms 22 in the
neck of heifer manuscript but in other manuscripts of the Hebrew text found both in the Dead Sea scrolls and in the
mez erotic manuscripts you can see textual variants that support the Christian rendering so let's listen in
as dr. Michael Brown who is a renowned scholar on the biblical languages and very well-versed and knowledgable in
responding to Jewish objections let's listen in as he discusses this passage [Music]
says they pierced oh yeah sorry squirming a little bit okay he's saying every Hebrew text every Hebrew Bible
that's ever been found reads carry like a lion none of them read kaoru which is taken to me they
pierced her they dug through as a by form of kuru none of them say that rather they all say cautery like a lion
not a single Hebrew manuscript not a single Hebrew Bible in the entire world ever says read that way ever ever ever
none of them say this alleged caught a room none of them say karu okay I guess my singer is not familiar with the
massive collocation of all Masoretic manuscripts done by two scholars separately few centuries back Kennecott
and dirossi so this these are books written in Latin give every last Masoretic manuscript and
so you have to send there are thousands of Mezrich manuscripts and there are all kinds of variations all right so I I
copied this out okay you can actually access the book and PDF form online III I copied this out I magnify that I
underlined a few things so I'm going to put it on the screen if you're listening I'll do my best to explain but let's
let's go to image five clip number five and oh I'm sorry first Dead Sea Scrolls first Dead Sea
Scrolls okay that's the right image put that up number five put that back up okay so first from Quran cave for four
q88 with further reference this is a fragment from Psalm 22 now it has the letters for hiki Funi and and they are
written with these little circles on top meaning that the text is not a hundred percent clear alright
but then there's cough Rache and then above car route alright so the valve is not certain and then you die
drug lie so my hands and my feet but notice there's no olive there the this text is from house million times to this
text is from well before the time of Jesus all right and it does not have the olive and the most likely reading is
Kaoru but certainly it does not have the olive there which would support the idea that the text originally said kuru or
caught root and kuru is real showing the little wall can mean to dig through to bore through hence can be used obviously
to cut through the tube or through crucifixion with would obviously work well with that concept and then although
he tries to downplay this from Knoxville heaven so these texts were a little bit later this would be from a century so
after Jesus but many of these have been dated to well before Jesus but either way these are Jewish texts ok
these are Jewish texts Jewish collections so there we have car route you say well I think it's just a year at
the end it's Connery the best Dead Sea Scrolls scholars have examined this looked at this people who specialize in
orthography well I'm an ax to grind they just trans bribing what it says and they're all
looking at the same pictures and then studying it in person looking at it Kaoru is the best reading alright but
what about the Masoretic manuscripts let's go to clip number six here our sixth image let's look at this and and
con just leave this up for a little while alright so again if you're listening on radio and you're not
watching I'm gonna do my best to explain this to you but what you have here is series of numbers and and what it's
telling you is okay in this particular manuscript which scholars number as thus is such a number for 38 or 40 etc that
the main Masoretic text means one thing but you have X number of manuscripts that read something different so for
example instead of cautery like a lion you have one manuscript number 245 that reads car yeah these are Masoretic
manuscripts Masoretic hebrew text late medieval and after okay so it's a it's a more full spelling of lion car yay
instead of quarry but you have the text and I underlined it a root cough Olive race pub which rabbi singer said does
not exist in a single Masoretic text Messianic Bible anywhere in the world false false all supposed how many times
false well here you have it manuscript number 39 to 67 to 72 77 and then 288 and 660 and then some other variations
then you have some other marginal ones so overall you have it attested about eight different times you say well it's
just eight oh hey when someone says none exist when someone says there's not a manuscript on the planet where this
exists and and in here in any scholar knows the Kennecott collection okay Duras to them just supplemented it with
with errors and with variations and the vowels as well but any Hebrew scholar biblical scholars is familiar with this
compilation it is just a list of the Masoretic masks Masoretic Hebrew manuscripts when rabbi Syria says never
curse never curse zero no manuscripts no Hebrew Bible no one he's very dramatic about the book he got at least eight
times and there four or five times you have kuru so this is a legitimate variant in these
mathematical measure expensives kuru or kuru okay so as I said I'm kind of shocked to see these things and and I
want I want to play one more clip from rabbi singer but I just have to honestly say I watch this stuff in the state of
shock just down the scholars forget polemics forget this right or wrong effort forget
any of that for the moment okay obviously those are life and death issues who the Messiah is and and and
how we respond to him of course I understand it he's putting aside just simply from the standpoint of Hebrew
scholarship biblical scholarship manuscript scholarship I shocking to see these things I don't mean to be
insulting it's just when people make a big deal of it and say well look at this he's an
authority maybe on certain things I don't know but these areas clearly not okay so let's listen again to rabbi
singer clip number seven this is Chekov a puzzle is a lie you cuff olives race love what does that word mean
anybody what is the word in Hebrew where I'm in standing here in the Land of Israel filled with Hebrew speakers you
shall tell me none of you speak Hebrew Ka'ala fresh love what does this word mean it means nothing there is no such
word I'm not gonna get it you can't have a verb with the alphabets the roof I don't want to get caught with there is
no such word word you have been lied to oh ah that really makes me squirm whoa a real okay so let's first start he's
gonna ask a Hebrew speaking audience what karu means and they say nothing it's no such word okay
first problem is there are many words from Biblical Hebrew and Biblical vocabulary that are not used in in
Hebrew today in fact I embarrassed myself talking the Israelis in the 70s when I was studying Hebrew cuz my
biblical hebrew is much better than my modern and i'd say things in biblical hey that's no no no
oh no this is the way you say it that we don't use those turbot that they not that they were bad terms but just
they're they're not used anymore expressions grammatical things so that's he's gonna prove a point about
a biblical hebrew word from 3,000 years ago and say well this is it spoken today if not it's gibberish
i guess though it gets the biggest reaction for me is when he says you can't have an olive as a root you can't
have an olive this as a root letter in in a hebrew verb so notice this has a middle olive cough olive Raisch right
you can't have an olive in a verbal root what i mean how how many how many verbs do you have i mean just go how do you
say to elucidate it's bate olive rash that verb all right to to worry dalek olive gamo to redeem him o olive
vomit I mean word after word after word it to weary llama the olive hey slow missus is is
connected with llama 'the olive tete i mean on an honor example after example after example if you examine just just
take a bit just biblical hebrew lexicon or even a modern hebrew lexicon if you want it just you'll see the same
phenomenon there this is go through it and look for each verb verbal roots and then just scroll down to where on earth
would be the second one you have example after example example words that he knows words that he knows perfectly well
so what was that was that just the total brain freeze or was there intentional attempt to mislead an audience either
words yo that that makes me squirm and then what about this idea that there is no root
cough Olive Rach well may I just do this again I know we're on radio so you can watch this later on on YouTube I've
asked dr. Brown skd art Brown you can watch this but I'm just gonna put a few images up on the screen and kind keep
the image up until I tell you this let's look at image number eight this is from the Kleins
hebrew lexicon dictionary of classical hebrew one of the greatest modern scholarly accomplishments in the hebrew
language not just using Hebrew Bible but Dead Sea Scrolls etc it has two possible routes cough Olive race alright two
possible routes and one of them is pointing to Psalm 22 the very verse we're looking at based on manuscript
evidence some of the evidence we just looked at Masoretic manuscript evidence so that's a possible one does it mean to
bind this speculation there and then there's another route cough-cough race meaning to be repulsive it's reflected
in the Dead Sea Scrolls their citations given there etc of the the word caught or repulsive and then it could be
they're made repulsive mutilated is that what it's talking about in Psalm 22 so the question is how do these relates to
Psalm 22 but but these are two different entries under a route that rabbi singer says never exists it not only do we have
it attested the Dead Sea Scrolls and at Psalm 22 and now however and they get bit sea scrolls but but we have it used
in other ways as well so the route exists there would certainly exist okay so that's that's one scholarly
lexicon used by by Jewish and Christian Old Testament scholars alright let's let's look at image number nine this is
from the Hebrew and Aramaic looks kind of the Old Testament that started this colder baumgartner then others worked on
it as well including of the great aramaic scholar that scale Kuchar israeli scholar this is widely used by
Jewish and Christian scholars studying the Hebrew Bible and they point to a route car ah cough race hey a route car
ah meaning and we've got thousand old South Arabian and Arabic in Aramaic and Punic etc meaning to dig a channel for a
river in some of these other languages and in the Bible to hollow out to dig as in digging a well Genesis 2625 or
numbers 21 18 or his sister and 21:30 in verse after verse picking out a pit in in psalm 40 OS 9 carita li you
have dug out so opened up my ears alright so this is a potential reading in some manuscripts in one Dead Sea
scroll manuscript karu meaning they they dug out my hands and feet again if it has to do with digging out with piercing
is it related concept could well be many scholars believe that is the case hence the usage they're in a very violent way
pointing to crucifixion and then the other argument is that kaoru is just a bi form of Carew and we know that this
often happens where the olive is part of a bi form of a word just look at how it occurs in Hebrew and Aramaic in terms of
certain words with with would be called weak roots all right so with above in the middle or stuff like that sometimes
you go to anime has an olive so these these are all perfectly plausible sorry if I lost anyone but last image okay all
right the the the brown driver Biggs lexicon this came out early 1900s an edition of the famous gazania lexicon
and one of the most widely used to this day by scholars of the Hebrew language both Jewish and Christian so at Psalm 22
has re lying is the references there but then it says this that they're suggesting reading kaoru which equals
karu so they they dug through they they they dug out my hands and feet which was then
mirror the subdue urgent that pierced my hands and feet and contrary to rabbi singer there's ample evidence of the
Septuagint being completed as a Jewish work before the time of Jesus so bottom line bottom line here's what we get
here's what we get and we're done with that image we're good now number one massive error on Daniel 9 if it was so
important why wasn't it referred to it is it is by Jesus Matthew 24 mark 13 and not only so early church leaders make
reference to it as well recognizing its against having to do with messianic prophecy before the Second Temple was
destroyed that's number one number two Psalm 22 quoted referred to explicitly in the New
Testament therefore you're going to read all the passengers including they pierced my hands and feet all right
number three that she scroll evidence supporting a reading of kuru without an olive therefore it not like a lion and
then yes nothing ever Quran scroll strongly pointing to Kaoru with Abe of not a Yid so again not like a lion and
then contrary to rabbi singers denial sin is that a single Hebrew manuscript in the world measured manuscript that
reads this way I post that post this actual image from the Kennecott volume where he lists the Masoretic manuscripts
that read canoe or kuru all right and then on top of that extraordinary or a mind-boggling error saying that you're
not gonna burp a root with an olive in it again either he failed to explain herself or just had brain freeze that
can happen to anybody but when people think you're yeah then immediately correct the video or pull that part or
make a statement I made an error there and then that there's no route to are well there there is and it's a tested in
in lexicons in different contexts and there there are explanations as to how you can have cara orca are and how they
are related so can we prove that the earliest reading was they pierced her they dug through my hands and my feet
can't prove it but there's very very strong evidence for it and by the way even if it was like a lion my hands and
feet the verb is the verb is missing hence explanation like a lion day they mauled my hands and feet which are it's
also an excellent description of crucifixion so this would be one of these things of like you know what when
a pitcher strikes out the sides on a nine pitches in a swinging this at each one each major point he was making was a
swing and a Miss so I just wanted to take the time to set the record straight truth pursue the truth
follow the truth it's worth well in the video we just watched we saw many examples of how this Jewish rabbi will
go to great lengths to deny the evidence of textual variants in this passage of Psalm 22 which support the Christian
rendering of pierced in this passage and yet it's these very textual variants that form the basis of the Christian
reading in this passage of pierced and it discredits the Jewish rabbis claims that Christians have distorted the text
of the Old Testament in their Bible in their translation of these passages so what do we do with textual variants as
we have been seeing in our series many of the differences between how the Christian Bible renders different
passages or how the New Testament or Septuagint the Greek Septuagint reading of the Old Testament many of the times
when there's differences in the readings we find that it's actually supported in the Hebrew manuscripts and therefore the
Christians were not tampering with the text of the Old Testament when they were quoting the Old Testament nor are
Christians today tampering with the text of the Old Testament in their translation of passages like Psalms 22
rather quite often we find that it's textual variants in the very Hebrew manuscripts that support the differences
in the readings between the Christian Bibles rendering of certain passages and the Jewish Bibles rendering of these
passages so what do we do with textual variants like these in very ancient Hebrew manuscripts how do we reconcile
the existence of textual variants with our belief that God has inspired the scriptures and has preserved the
readings of the Scriptures how do we justify these textual variants with our view that all Scripture is god-breathed
and inspired by God well the reality is I believe that to justify these text events you have to go back to the very
point that textual variants scribal errors mistakes in which evolve at the end of the word is accidentally
changed to a node in later manuscripts merely show that God is sovereign over the Scriptures and they really don't
change the message of the text the fact this man no matter which rendering you go with whether he's pierced in his
hands and feet or whether he has an attack to his hands to beat like a lion at his hands of beat well if the Lions
Maul your hands and feet there's still something overall going on between the textual variants you could still see the
reading or the message that this man had something very significant happen to the very hands and feet of this Messiah in
Psalm 22 so why do you go with pierced or whether you go with like a lion in my hands and feet is really irrelevant
because the message of the text has not been changed I'd like to look back here at the context of this passage here in
Psalm 22 and I'd like to read to you from the Jewish Bible beginning at verse 14 in the Jewish Bible which is verse 13
in the Christian Bible Psalm 22 I want you to think about what this passage is actually saying in context where we find
the passage about the Messiah being pierced or like a lion and my hands of feet listen to this listen to how it
reads and ask yourself the question when was this ever fulfilled in King David was this fulfilled in King David or was
it fulfilled in Messiah Jesus Yeshua verse 14 in the Jewish Bible from Cherbourg they open their mouths against
me like a tearing roaring lion I was spilled like water and all my bones were separated many of the translations will
say bones are at a joint or dislocated all my bones were separated when did that happen to David we know that
happened to Jesus when he was crucified but when that happened to David my heart was like
wax melting within my innards verse 16 which is verse 15 in the Christian Bible my strength became dried out like a
potsherd and my tongue cleave to my palate and you set me down in the dust of death
tongue Cleaves to my palate some translations will say tongue stuck to the roof of my mouth now when did this
happen to King David do we ever have any rendering or any example of this
occurring in David's life now maybe you could argue when he was running from Psalm maybe he got real thirsty in the
desert but we don't read of this kind of detail according to anyone but with Jesus we do see this because in
crucifixion he was dying of dehydration in the midst of everything else that he was suffering and they gave him vinegar
to drink remember that in the crucifixion account we could see this being fulfilled now let's go on this is
in verse 17 of the Jewish Bible verse 16 of the Christian Bible for dogs have surrounded me a band of evildoers has
encompassed me like a lion my hands and feet raashi because it's missing a verb here says like a lion my hands and feet
they mauled they mauled my hands of feet so Rashi interpreted the ancient Jewish rabbi interpreted this of a mauling of
his hands and feet whether you say it's mauling or whether you say pierced or the Lions were digging at his hands and
feet either way this fits a crucifixion but it doesn't fit the life of King David I mean when
did he ever have an attack to his hands and feet that looked like lions grabbed at them then let's read on and this is
verse 18 of the Jewish Bible I tell all my bones they look and gloat over me in verse 19 they share my garments among
themselves and cast lots for my raiment again when did this ever happen to King David when was his garments ever torn
from him but we we don't see this in King David's life but we do you see this fulfilled in the life of
Yeshua Jesus our Messiah this was definitely fulfilled we can read about it how the enemies of Christ
when they crucified him stripped him naked and divided his garments they cast lots for his garments in fulfillment of
this passage here in Psalms 22 so here we see a clear example when we read the passage in context we definitely see a
clear vision a clear prophecy of crucifixion which occurred with Jesus Yeshua our Messiah and it does not
fulfill in the life of David in any way you you have a specific statements here that are never fulfilled in David's life
so again we have to ask the question why did the Jewish rabbis make such a big deal of verse 16 verse 17 here in this
passage about whether it's like a lion in my hands of feet or pierce my hands a feet you have to ask that question
because when you read the rest of the text that surrounds that very verse here in Psalm 22 we can definitely see how it
fits Jesus as a messiah no matter what rendering you give to this passage and incidentally if it's so important to
have the word pierced in this passage why wasn't this particular verse quoted by the Christians in their New Testament
if it was so important if they were distorting the text of this passage to say pierce instead of like a lion in my
hands of feet why isn't it quoted in the New Testament this particular verse is not quoted in the New Testament but
rather the New Testament refers to several of these verses in this passage of Psalm 22 and Jesus references the
whole chapter when he quotes the first verse my God my God why have you forsaken me when he's dying on the cross
to draw the attention of those viewers to this passage to show how he was fulfilling this passage we see this
passage clearly fulfilled in the life of Christ in the crucifixion of Christ and hence several verses from this passage
are referenced by the New Testament writers but the particular versa rabbis make a
big deal about where there's a textual variant that supports pierced over like a lion in my hands of beep they make a
big deal about this and why do you think they do I actually believe the reason they focus on that one verse and don't
look at the rest of the passage is because they're trying to distract you it's a distraction technique to get you
not to see what the text is actually saying in context and how it fits Jesus as a messiah
indeed just read the whole passage read Psalm 22 and read the passage in context and you have no other choice but to
conclude this was fulfilled in Jesus our Messiah [Music]
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