Psalm 22:16 – Should it read “Pierce” or “Like a Lion”?-2

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[Music] did Christianity changed the Old Testament Psalms 22:16 should it read
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Pierce or like a lion at songs 22:16 or verse 17 if you're talking about the Jewish Bible its verse 17 and the
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Christian Bible it's verse 16 we have an interesting passage Christians all believe that Psalms 22 is a reference to
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Jesus as the Messiah being crucified and in verse 16 of the Christian Bible it says pierced that they pierced his hands
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and feet but in the Jewish Bible it reads as a lion at my hands of V so which is it was the Messiah
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Pierce or were his hands ravished by lions we're gonna be talking about that today in this episode of our series is
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Christian deed the mormonism of Judaism where we are examining the claims of the Jewish rabbis who teach that
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Christianity has distorted the teachings of Judaism in much the same way that Mormonism distorts the teachings of
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Christianity we're going to examine those claims today and what I want to do at the very beginning of this video is I
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want to feature a clip from a popular Jewish rabbi who makes the claim that Christians have distorted the Old
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Testament teachings in Psalm 22 when in our Christian Bible it reads that the Messiah had his hands pierced in the
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Jewish Bible it reads like a lion at my hands and feet so listen carefully as this rabbi misrepresents the textual
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basis that forms the foundation of the Christian rendering in this passage Psalm 22 16 or 17 depending on which
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kind of use and it sounds immediately very very Christian sounds for sure sounds like a crucifixion the answer to
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that question is that there's one word that has been mistranslated by the church the last phrase of Psalm 22 seven
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teenagers round 16 and a Christian Bible says khari yo divert agua
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the word Kyrie means like a lion the cuz' prefix which means like it's a common word in the Hebrew language
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biblical in modern Hebrew so khari means like a line like a line there at my hands of my feet now imagine you take
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the word like a lion and instead you put in the word they pierced and suddenly have a brand new message and that's what
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the church did in fact if you go a little further in the same chapter hi Shay Mimi prea save me from the lion's
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mouth these texts are all speaking about the Lions that are attacking him but they don't mean literally lines or
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wasn't he King David found himself in a circus in a zoo in the lines then literally it means his enemies the
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church changed one text one verse the one word and suddenly the meaning of the whole chapter changes now you are going
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to again be hit with the Septuagint and someone says to you I was in the seventh in the it's in the Septuagint it may not
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be in Hebrew the Jew has changed it we have a Dead Sea scroll text not forever that there is no fragment says they
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pierced in nothing's ever which is a text later than little later than Qumran and the covers in areas some thirty
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kilometers south of of Qumran into this area I don't want that too to interfere with your thinking his rabbi
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specifically says that this textual variant does not occur in the Hebrew but it most certainly does and I'm gonna
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explain why the textual variant as you can see is very similar there's only one character difference between the word in
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the ancient Hebrew manuscript right here which means pierced and the one that's in the more modern Hebrew manuscript the
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one that's in the Mesereau text right here that means like a lion at my hands and feet this textual variation occurs
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in Psalm 22:16 unfortunately the Dead Sea Scrolls are too damaged at this point to be able to verify
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whether pierced or like a lion is what is seen in this text however a very ancient Hebrew manuscript that is just
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as old as the Dead Sea Scrolls that dates back to the first century shows very clearly the word pierced being used
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in the manuscript and not the word like a lion that shows up in the Masoretic text I have here an article that I found
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on Toro reef source.com that provides a photocopy of that very ancient Hebrew manuscript I thought it was in the Dead
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Sea Scrolls I later read this article and realized that it is actually you know in a manuscript that's as old as
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the Dead Sea Scrolls but and dates back to the first century so I predates the Masoretic text reading by let's see the
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oldest manuscript we have a complete manuscript of the Old Testament in the Messianic text is a tenth century this
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one goes back to the first century so a date predates the Masoretic text reading by nearly a thousand years and you have
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a very clear example where in that text you have the word for pierced with the ending letter character the volve
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being changed to yo'd this character right here in the mez erotic text in the later Hebrew manuscripts when the very
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manuscripts show textual variants that change the technical meaning of the very words that are being translated from
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pierced to like a line in my hands of feet now why is this a significant textual variant the rabbi's claimed that
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the word pierced was changed by the Christians when they translated the Septuagint rendering of pierced in Psalm
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22:16 and they say that this prophecy was changed to try to prove that this Psalm 22 passage was referring to Jesus
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as the Messiah being pierced on a cross so they claimed the word never appears in the Hebrew manuscripts and sold to
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the rabbi's they claimed that this is a significant change that the Christians made to the text so what does he do he
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denies that they exist so rather than admit that this textual variant exists in the very ancient
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Hebrew manuscripts of this passage here in Psalms 22 this rabbi denies that it exists and I'm going to feature another
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video of this rabbi and yet another video done by dr. Michael Brown who talks about this passage is Psalms 22
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and talks about the claims of this rabbi and shows not only how this textual variant appears here in Psalms 22 in the
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neck of heifer manuscript but in other manuscripts of the Hebrew text found both in the Dead Sea scrolls and in the
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mez erotic manuscripts you can see textual variants that support the Christian rendering so let's listen in
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as dr. Michael Brown who is a renowned scholar on the biblical languages and very well-versed and knowledgable in
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responding to Jewish objections let's listen in as he discusses this passage [Music]
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says they pierced oh yeah sorry squirming a little bit okay he's saying every Hebrew text every Hebrew Bible
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that's ever been found reads carry like a lion none of them read kaoru which is taken to me they
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pierced her they dug through as a by form of kuru none of them say that rather they all say cautery like a lion
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not a single Hebrew manuscript not a single Hebrew Bible in the entire world ever says read that way ever ever ever
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none of them say this alleged caught a room none of them say karu okay I guess my singer is not familiar with the
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massive collocation of all Masoretic manuscripts done by two scholars separately few centuries back Kennecott
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and dirossi so this these are books written in Latin give every last Masoretic manuscript and
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so you have to send there are thousands of Mezrich manuscripts and there are all kinds of variations all right so I I
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copied this out okay you can actually access the book and PDF form online III I copied this out I magnify that I
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underlined a few things so I'm going to put it on the screen if you're listening I'll do my best to explain but let's
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let's go to image five clip number five and oh I'm sorry first Dead Sea Scrolls first Dead Sea
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Scrolls okay that's the right image put that up number five put that back up okay so first from Quran cave for four
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q88 with further reference this is a fragment from Psalm 22 now it has the letters for hiki Funi and and they are
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written with these little circles on top meaning that the text is not a hundred percent clear alright
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but then there's cough Rache and then above car route alright so the valve is not certain and then you die
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drug lie so my hands and my feet but notice there's no olive there the this text is from house million times to this
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text is from well before the time of Jesus all right and it does not have the olive and the most likely reading is
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Kaoru but certainly it does not have the olive there which would support the idea that the text originally said kuru or
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caught root and kuru is real showing the little wall can mean to dig through to bore through hence can be used obviously
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to cut through the tube or through crucifixion with would obviously work well with that concept and then although
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he tries to downplay this from Knoxville heaven so these texts were a little bit later this would be from a century so
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after Jesus but many of these have been dated to well before Jesus but either way these are Jewish texts ok
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these are Jewish texts Jewish collections so there we have car route you say well I think it's just a year at
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the end it's Connery the best Dead Sea Scrolls scholars have examined this looked at this people who specialize in
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orthography well I'm an ax to grind they just trans bribing what it says and they're all
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looking at the same pictures and then studying it in person looking at it Kaoru is the best reading alright but
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what about the Masoretic manuscripts let's go to clip number six here our sixth image let's look at this and and
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con just leave this up for a little while alright so again if you're listening on radio and you're not
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watching I'm gonna do my best to explain this to you but what you have here is series of numbers and and what it's
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telling you is okay in this particular manuscript which scholars number as thus is such a number for 38 or 40 etc that
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the main Masoretic text means one thing but you have X number of manuscripts that read something different so for
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example instead of cautery like a lion you have one manuscript number 245 that reads car yeah these are Masoretic
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manuscripts Masoretic hebrew text late medieval and after okay so it's a it's a more full spelling of lion car yay
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instead of quarry but you have the text and I underlined it a root cough Olive race pub which rabbi singer said does
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not exist in a single Masoretic text Messianic Bible anywhere in the world false false all supposed how many times
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false well here you have it manuscript number 39 to 67 to 72 77 and then 288 and 660 and then some other variations
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then you have some other marginal ones so overall you have it attested about eight different times you say well it's
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just eight oh hey when someone says none exist when someone says there's not a manuscript on the planet where this
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exists and and in here in any scholar knows the Kennecott collection okay Duras to them just supplemented it with
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with errors and with variations and the vowels as well but any Hebrew scholar biblical scholars is familiar with this
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compilation it is just a list of the Masoretic masks Masoretic Hebrew manuscripts when rabbi Syria says never
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curse never curse zero no manuscripts no Hebrew Bible no one he's very dramatic about the book he got at least eight
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times and there four or five times you have kuru so this is a legitimate variant in these
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mathematical measure expensives kuru or kuru okay so as I said I'm kind of shocked to see these things and and I
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want I want to play one more clip from rabbi singer but I just have to honestly say I watch this stuff in the state of
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shock just down the scholars forget polemics forget this right or wrong effort forget
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any of that for the moment okay obviously those are life and death issues who the Messiah is and and and
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how we respond to him of course I understand it he's putting aside just simply from the standpoint of Hebrew
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scholarship biblical scholarship manuscript scholarship I shocking to see these things I don't mean to be
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insulting it's just when people make a big deal of it and say well look at this he's an
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authority maybe on certain things I don't know but these areas clearly not okay so let's listen again to rabbi
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singer clip number seven this is Chekov a puzzle is a lie you cuff olives race love what does that word mean
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anybody what is the word in Hebrew where I'm in standing here in the Land of Israel filled with Hebrew speakers you
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shall tell me none of you speak Hebrew Ka'ala fresh love what does this word mean it means nothing there is no such
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word I'm not gonna get it you can't have a verb with the alphabets the roof I don't want to get caught with there is
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no such word word you have been lied to oh ah that really makes me squirm whoa a real okay so let's first start he's
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gonna ask a Hebrew speaking audience what karu means and they say nothing it's no such word okay
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first problem is there are many words from Biblical Hebrew and Biblical vocabulary that are not used in in
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Hebrew today in fact I embarrassed myself talking the Israelis in the 70s when I was studying Hebrew cuz my
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biblical hebrew is much better than my modern and i'd say things in biblical hey that's no no no
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oh no this is the way you say it that we don't use those turbot that they not that they were bad terms but just
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they're they're not used anymore expressions grammatical things so that's he's gonna prove a point about
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a biblical hebrew word from 3,000 years ago and say well this is it spoken today if not it's gibberish
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i guess though it gets the biggest reaction for me is when he says you can't have an olive as a root you can't
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have an olive this as a root letter in in a hebrew verb so notice this has a middle olive cough olive Raisch right
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you can't have an olive in a verbal root what i mean how how many how many verbs do you have i mean just go how do you
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say to elucidate it's bate olive rash that verb all right to to worry dalek olive gamo to redeem him o olive
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vomit I mean word after word after word it to weary llama the olive hey slow missus is is
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connected with llama 'the olive tete i mean on an honor example after example after example if you examine just just
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take a bit just biblical hebrew lexicon or even a modern hebrew lexicon if you want it just you'll see the same
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phenomenon there this is go through it and look for each verb verbal roots and then just scroll down to where on earth
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would be the second one you have example after example example words that he knows words that he knows perfectly well
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so what was that was that just the total brain freeze or was there intentional attempt to mislead an audience either
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words yo that that makes me squirm and then what about this idea that there is no root
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cough Olive Rach well may I just do this again I know we're on radio so you can watch this later on on YouTube I've
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asked dr. Brown skd art Brown you can watch this but I'm just gonna put a few images up on the screen and kind keep
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the image up until I tell you this let's look at image number eight this is from the Kleins
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hebrew lexicon dictionary of classical hebrew one of the greatest modern scholarly accomplishments in the hebrew
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language not just using Hebrew Bible but Dead Sea Scrolls etc it has two possible routes cough Olive race alright two
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possible routes and one of them is pointing to Psalm 22 the very verse we're looking at based on manuscript
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evidence some of the evidence we just looked at Masoretic manuscript evidence so that's a possible one does it mean to
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bind this speculation there and then there's another route cough-cough race meaning to be repulsive it's reflected
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in the Dead Sea Scrolls their citations given there etc of the the word caught or repulsive and then it could be
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they're made repulsive mutilated is that what it's talking about in Psalm 22 so the question is how do these relates to
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Psalm 22 but but these are two different entries under a route that rabbi singer says never exists it not only do we have
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it attested the Dead Sea Scrolls and at Psalm 22 and now however and they get bit sea scrolls but but we have it used
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in other ways as well so the route exists there would certainly exist okay so that's that's one scholarly
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lexicon used by by Jewish and Christian Old Testament scholars alright let's let's look at image number nine this is
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from the Hebrew and Aramaic looks kind of the Old Testament that started this colder baumgartner then others worked on
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it as well including of the great aramaic scholar that scale Kuchar israeli scholar this is widely used by
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Jewish and Christian scholars studying the Hebrew Bible and they point to a route car ah cough race hey a route car
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ah meaning and we've got thousand old South Arabian and Arabic in Aramaic and Punic etc meaning to dig a channel for a
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river in some of these other languages and in the Bible to hollow out to dig as in digging a well Genesis 2625 or
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numbers 21 18 or his sister and 21:30 in verse after verse picking out a pit in in psalm 40 OS 9 carita li you
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have dug out so opened up my ears alright so this is a potential reading in some manuscripts in one Dead Sea
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scroll manuscript karu meaning they they dug out my hands and feet again if it has to do with digging out with piercing
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is it related concept could well be many scholars believe that is the case hence the usage they're in a very violent way
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pointing to crucifixion and then the other argument is that kaoru is just a bi form of Carew and we know that this
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often happens where the olive is part of a bi form of a word just look at how it occurs in Hebrew and Aramaic in terms of
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certain words with with would be called weak roots all right so with above in the middle or stuff like that sometimes
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you go to anime has an olive so these these are all perfectly plausible sorry if I lost anyone but last image okay all
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right the the the brown driver Biggs lexicon this came out early 1900s an edition of the famous gazania lexicon
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and one of the most widely used to this day by scholars of the Hebrew language both Jewish and Christian so at Psalm 22
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has re lying is the references there but then it says this that they're suggesting reading kaoru which equals
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karu so they they dug through they they they dug out my hands and feet which was then
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mirror the subdue urgent that pierced my hands and feet and contrary to rabbi singer there's ample evidence of the
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Septuagint being completed as a Jewish work before the time of Jesus so bottom line bottom line here's what we get
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here's what we get and we're done with that image we're good now number one massive error on Daniel 9 if it was so
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important why wasn't it referred to it is it is by Jesus Matthew 24 mark 13 and not only so early church leaders make
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reference to it as well recognizing its against having to do with messianic prophecy before the Second Temple was
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destroyed that's number one number two Psalm 22 quoted referred to explicitly in the New
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Testament therefore you're going to read all the passengers including they pierced my hands and feet all right
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number three that she scroll evidence supporting a reading of kuru without an olive therefore it not like a lion and
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then yes nothing ever Quran scroll strongly pointing to Kaoru with Abe of not a Yid so again not like a lion and
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then contrary to rabbi singers denial sin is that a single Hebrew manuscript in the world measured manuscript that
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reads this way I post that post this actual image from the Kennecott volume where he lists the Masoretic manuscripts
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that read canoe or kuru all right and then on top of that extraordinary or a mind-boggling error saying that you're
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not gonna burp a root with an olive in it again either he failed to explain herself or just had brain freeze that
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can happen to anybody but when people think you're yeah then immediately correct the video or pull that part or
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make a statement I made an error there and then that there's no route to are well there there is and it's a tested in
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in lexicons in different contexts and there there are explanations as to how you can have cara orca are and how they
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are related so can we prove that the earliest reading was they pierced her they dug through my hands and my feet
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can't prove it but there's very very strong evidence for it and by the way even if it was like a lion my hands and
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feet the verb is the verb is missing hence explanation like a lion day they mauled my hands and feet which are it's
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also an excellent description of crucifixion so this would be one of these things of like you know what when
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a pitcher strikes out the sides on a nine pitches in a swinging this at each one each major point he was making was a
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swing and a Miss so I just wanted to take the time to set the record straight truth pursue the truth
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follow the truth it's worth well in the video we just watched we saw many examples of how this Jewish rabbi will
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go to great lengths to deny the evidence of textual variants in this passage of Psalm 22 which support the Christian
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rendering of pierced in this passage and yet it's these very textual variants that form the basis of the Christian
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reading in this passage of pierced and it discredits the Jewish rabbis claims that Christians have distorted the text
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of the Old Testament in their Bible in their translation of these passages so what do we do with textual variants as
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we have been seeing in our series many of the differences between how the Christian Bible renders different
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passages or how the New Testament or Septuagint the Greek Septuagint reading of the Old Testament many of the times
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when there's differences in the readings we find that it's actually supported in the Hebrew manuscripts and therefore the
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Christians were not tampering with the text of the Old Testament when they were quoting the Old Testament nor are
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Christians today tampering with the text of the Old Testament in their translation of passages like Psalms 22
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rather quite often we find that it's textual variants in the very Hebrew manuscripts that support the differences
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in the readings between the Christian Bibles rendering of certain passages and the Jewish Bibles rendering of these
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passages so what do we do with textual variants like these in very ancient Hebrew manuscripts how do we reconcile
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the existence of textual variants with our belief that God has inspired the scriptures and has preserved the
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readings of the Scriptures how do we justify these textual variants with our view that all Scripture is god-breathed
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and inspired by God well the reality is I believe that to justify these text events you have to go back to the very
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point that textual variants scribal errors mistakes in which evolve at the end of the word is accidentally
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changed to a node in later manuscripts merely show that God is sovereign over the Scriptures and they really don't
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change the message of the text the fact this man no matter which rendering you go with whether he's pierced in his
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hands and feet or whether he has an attack to his hands to beat like a lion at his hands of beat well if the Lions
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Maul your hands and feet there's still something overall going on between the textual variants you could still see the
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reading or the message that this man had something very significant happen to the very hands and feet of this Messiah in
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Psalm 22 so why do you go with pierced or whether you go with like a lion in my hands and feet is really irrelevant
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because the message of the text has not been changed I'd like to look back here at the context of this passage here in
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Psalm 22 and I'd like to read to you from the Jewish Bible beginning at verse 14 in the Jewish Bible which is verse 13
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in the Christian Bible Psalm 22 I want you to think about what this passage is actually saying in context where we find
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the passage about the Messiah being pierced or like a lion and my hands of feet listen to this listen to how it
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reads and ask yourself the question when was this ever fulfilled in King David was this fulfilled in King David or was
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it fulfilled in Messiah Jesus Yeshua verse 14 in the Jewish Bible from Cherbourg they open their mouths against
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me like a tearing roaring lion I was spilled like water and all my bones were separated many of the translations will
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say bones are at a joint or dislocated all my bones were separated when did that happen to David we know that
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happened to Jesus when he was crucified but when that happened to David my heart was like
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wax melting within my innards verse 16 which is verse 15 in the Christian Bible my strength became dried out like a
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potsherd and my tongue cleave to my palate and you set me down in the dust of death
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tongue Cleaves to my palate some translations will say tongue stuck to the roof of my mouth now when did this
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happen to King David do we ever have any rendering or any example of this
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occurring in David's life now maybe you could argue when he was running from Psalm maybe he got real thirsty in the
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desert but we don't read of this kind of detail according to anyone but with Jesus we do see this because in
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crucifixion he was dying of dehydration in the midst of everything else that he was suffering and they gave him vinegar
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to drink remember that in the crucifixion account we could see this being fulfilled now let's go on this is
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in verse 17 of the Jewish Bible verse 16 of the Christian Bible for dogs have surrounded me a band of evildoers has
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encompassed me like a lion my hands and feet raashi because it's missing a verb here says like a lion my hands and feet
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they mauled they mauled my hands of feet so Rashi interpreted the ancient Jewish rabbi interpreted this of a mauling of
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his hands and feet whether you say it's mauling or whether you say pierced or the Lions were digging at his hands and
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feet either way this fits a crucifixion but it doesn't fit the life of King David I mean when
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did he ever have an attack to his hands and feet that looked like lions grabbed at them then let's read on and this is
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verse 18 of the Jewish Bible I tell all my bones they look and gloat over me in verse 19 they share my garments among
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themselves and cast lots for my raiment again when did this ever happen to King David when was his garments ever torn
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from him but we we don't see this in King David's life but we do you see this fulfilled in the life of
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Yeshua Jesus our Messiah this was definitely fulfilled we can read about it how the enemies of Christ
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when they crucified him stripped him naked and divided his garments they cast lots for his garments in fulfillment of
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this passage here in Psalms 22 so here we see a clear example when we read the passage in context we definitely see a
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clear vision a clear prophecy of crucifixion which occurred with Jesus Yeshua our Messiah and it does not
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fulfill in the life of David in any way you you have a specific statements here that are never fulfilled in David's life
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so again we have to ask the question why did the Jewish rabbis make such a big deal of verse 16 verse 17 here in this
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passage about whether it's like a lion in my hands of feet or pierce my hands a feet you have to ask that question
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because when you read the rest of the text that surrounds that very verse here in Psalm 22 we can definitely see how it
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fits Jesus as a messiah no matter what rendering you give to this passage and incidentally if it's so important to
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have the word pierced in this passage why wasn't this particular verse quoted by the Christians in their New Testament
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if it was so important if they were distorting the text of this passage to say pierce instead of like a lion in my
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hands of feet why isn't it quoted in the New Testament this particular verse is not quoted in the New Testament but
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rather the New Testament refers to several of these verses in this passage of Psalm 22 and Jesus references the
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whole chapter when he quotes the first verse my God my God why have you forsaken me when he's dying on the cross
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to draw the attention of those viewers to this passage to show how he was fulfilling this passage we see this
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passage clearly fulfilled in the life of Christ in the crucifixion of Christ and hence several verses from this passage
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are referenced by the New Testament writers but the particular versa rabbis make a
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big deal about where there's a textual variant that supports pierced over like a lion in my hands of beep they make a
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big deal about this and why do you think they do I actually believe the reason they focus on that one verse and don't
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look at the rest of the passage is because they're trying to distract you it's a distraction technique to get you
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not to see what the text is actually saying in context and how it fits Jesus as a messiah
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indeed just read the whole passage read Psalm 22 and read the passage in context and you have no other choice but to
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conclude this was fulfilled in Jesus our Messiah [Music]
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you [Music] you

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